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	<title>Comments on: Green Tuesday: When Less is More</title>
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		<title>By: Jett</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2008/02/05/green-tuesday-when-less-is-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5969</link>
		<dc:creator>Jett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for helping me decide what to do with an old steel Schwinn I inherited.  The frame is too small for me, but should play well at Atlanta&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sopobikes.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sopo Bicycle Co-op&lt;/a&gt;.

Some of the cashiers at the grocery store I frequent now understand panniers, but it&#039;s been a slow education process.  Let&#039;s give more lessons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping me decide what to do with an old steel Schwinn I inherited.  The frame is too small for me, but should play well at Atlanta&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sopobikes.org/" rel="nofollow">Sopo Bicycle Co-op</a>.</p>
<p>Some of the cashiers at the grocery store I frequent now understand panniers, but it&#8217;s been a slow education process.  Let&#8217;s give more lessons!</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
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		<dc:creator>r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a store chain in Memphis that charges extra for bags: 10 cents for plastic and 5 cents for paper.  I believe they let you use all the empty cardboard boxes for free.  I usually bring my own canvas bags or homemade plastic bags since they&#039;re sturdier.  

If y&#039;all are into crafts you can check out the Make Magazine podcast on homemade messenger bags.  I think this blog did a story on homemade messenger bags before and it&#039;s the same process to make your Target bags into grocery getters.  

Memphis also has a really awesome coop called Revolutions (http://revolutionsmemphis.com).  
They&#039;re very sustainable and try to recycle all the  parts or metal that aren&#039;t usable anymore.  

I&#039;m glad to see this post and I hope more folks out there will learn to reduce instead of consuming so much.  I truly do agree that less is more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a store chain in Memphis that charges extra for bags: 10 cents for plastic and 5 cents for paper.  I believe they let you use all the empty cardboard boxes for free.  I usually bring my own canvas bags or homemade plastic bags since they&#8217;re sturdier.  </p>
<p>If y&#8217;all are into crafts you can check out the Make Magazine podcast on homemade messenger bags.  I think this blog did a story on homemade messenger bags before and it&#8217;s the same process to make your Target bags into grocery getters.  </p>
<p>Memphis also has a really awesome coop called Revolutions (<a href="http://revolutionsmemphis.com)" rel="nofollow">http://revolutionsmemphis.com)</a>.<br />
They&#8217;re very sustainable and try to recycle all the  parts or metal that aren&#8217;t usable anymore.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see this post and I hope more folks out there will learn to reduce instead of consuming so much.  I truly do agree that less is more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an odd one for you regarding reusable shopping bags:

At the grocery stores here in Tampa, there is not only a display of branded canvas shopping bags at each cashier, but there is also an electronic message at each terminal : &quot;Save a bag - use reusable bags!&quot;  

My wife and I have a huge collection of bags and baskets we use, and invariably the cashier and bagger both ask &quot;what do you want us to do with these?&quot;  as if we&#039;ve offended them somehow by bringing our own bags.  Or, they&#039;ll try to wrap groceries in plastic BEFORE putting them in the canvas bags -- they are just not getting it!

By the way, reusable bags make a great (and inexpensive) impromptu Christmas or birthday gift.  I think more people would use such things if they were presented with their own set!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an odd one for you regarding reusable shopping bags:</p>
<p>At the grocery stores here in Tampa, there is not only a display of branded canvas shopping bags at each cashier, but there is also an electronic message at each terminal : &#8220;Save a bag &#8211; use reusable bags!&#8221;  </p>
<p>My wife and I have a huge collection of bags and baskets we use, and invariably the cashier and bagger both ask &#8220;what do you want us to do with these?&#8221;  as if we&#8217;ve offended them somehow by bringing our own bags.  Or, they&#8217;ll try to wrap groceries in plastic BEFORE putting them in the canvas bags &#8212; they are just not getting it!</p>
<p>By the way, reusable bags make a great (and inexpensive) impromptu Christmas or birthday gift.  I think more people would use such things if they were presented with their own set!</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fortunate that all four grocery stores within 2 miles of my place actually give me a credit of $0.05 per reusable bag I bring in, and they count my panniers as two even though it&#039;s one piece stitched together.

People assume grocery sacks are free, but they still cost the grocers.  The price of the shopping bags is built into the price of what they sell, same as the cost of paying employees, etc.

I will admit that I do intentionally get plastic grocery sacks on occasion.  They&#039;re great for making my clothes and gadgets water resistant within my panniers or backpack on a rainy day.  They&#039;re also good for lining small bathroom trash bins.  That said, I only get plastic bags because I intend to put them to some other use later on.

As far as the computer rant... Her saying that upgrading the processor to a faster one requires going out and getting a new computer is as inaccurate.  You might need more parts than just the faster chip, but  computers are as modular as bicycles are.  If you want to upgrade to a 10-speed cassette on your STI-Equipped road bike, you might need a narrower chain, new shifter and maybe a new RD, but not a new bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fortunate that all four grocery stores within 2 miles of my place actually give me a credit of $0.05 per reusable bag I bring in, and they count my panniers as two even though it&#8217;s one piece stitched together.</p>
<p>People assume grocery sacks are free, but they still cost the grocers.  The price of the shopping bags is built into the price of what they sell, same as the cost of paying employees, etc.</p>
<p>I will admit that I do intentionally get plastic grocery sacks on occasion.  They&#8217;re great for making my clothes and gadgets water resistant within my panniers or backpack on a rainy day.  They&#8217;re also good for lining small bathroom trash bins.  That said, I only get plastic bags because I intend to put them to some other use later on.</p>
<p>As far as the computer rant&#8230; Her saying that upgrading the processor to a faster one requires going out and getting a new computer is as inaccurate.  You might need more parts than just the faster chip, but  computers are as modular as bicycles are.  If you want to upgrade to a 10-speed cassette on your STI-Equipped road bike, you might need a narrower chain, new shifter and maybe a new RD, but not a new bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff the Veloteer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff the Veloteer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great comments everyone. I have always heard about the Bike Oven in LA, and I just thought that was THE coolest name! I think my ultimate job would be to open up a bike co-op/deli/coffee shop/used book store...man that would be heaven.

Noah, while I must admit my ignorance to your nerd rant (but glad you put it out there :) ), I am right there with you on hybrid production, among other things.  I got some free canvas bags from a company conference last year, and while they still had to be made, at least I could put them to good use afterwards, AND not have to buy a new one that&#039;s all trendy looking. When I go to the more &quot;hippy&quot; grocery stores (like Trader Joe&#039;s or Sprouts), the clerks say &quot;thanks&quot; for bringing my own bags - if I go to Safeway, they ask me which aisle I got them from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great comments everyone. I have always heard about the Bike Oven in LA, and I just thought that was THE coolest name! I think my ultimate job would be to open up a bike co-op/deli/coffee shop/used book store&#8230;man that would be heaven.</p>
<p>Noah, while I must admit my ignorance to your nerd rant (but glad you put it out there <img src='http://www.bikecommuters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), I am right there with you on hybrid production, among other things.  I got some free canvas bags from a company conference last year, and while they still had to be made, at least I could put them to good use afterwards, AND not have to buy a new one that&#8217;s all trendy looking. When I go to the more &#8220;hippy&#8221; grocery stores (like Trader Joe&#8217;s or Sprouts), the clerks say &#8220;thanks&#8221; for bringing my own bags &#8211; if I go to Safeway, they ask me which aisle I got them from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff Jeff. People are finally starting to open their eyes to this stuff but not nearly enough. Coincidence that we&#039;re the most car driven(no pun intended) nation in the world? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff Jeff. People are finally starting to open their eyes to this stuff but not nearly enough. Coincidence that we&#8217;re the most car driven(no pun intended) nation in the world? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the subject of bike co-op, Los angeles is blessed to have several.

www.bikerowave.org

www.bicyclekitchen.com

www.bikeoven.com

I&#039;ve only been to the bikerowave, a great place in santa monica.  There are plenty of donated bikes around, but they don&#039;t quite have the man power to recycle bikes for sale.  They exist for spare parts or as project bikes for the mechanically inclined.  Great place to hang out and learn wrenching skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the subject of bike co-op, Los angeles is blessed to have several.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bikerowave.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikerowave.org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bicyclekitchen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicyclekitchen.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bikeoven.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikeoven.com</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been to the bikerowave, a great place in santa monica.  There are plenty of donated bikes around, but they don&#8217;t quite have the man power to recycle bikes for sale.  They exist for spare parts or as project bikes for the mechanically inclined.  Great place to hang out and learn wrenching skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah.  And that announcer lady needs to learn about buying bleeding-edge motherboard/CPU combinations so that she can upgrade the CPU a time or two before the next technology shift.  Desktops from the big names are all modular and always have been.  Moron.  

&lt;/nerd rant&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah.  And that announcer lady needs to learn about buying bleeding-edge motherboard/CPU combinations so that she can upgrade the CPU a time or two before the next technology shift.  Desktops from the big names are all modular and always have been.  Moron.  </p>
<p>&lt;/nerd rant&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m certainly not one to label myself an environmentalist, this is one reason why I tell people to look at used bikes for sale at their LBS but a bike co-op has many of the same bene&#039;s.  You keep old frames out of the landfills, help support your local bike shop (which is more often than not an independent operation), and usually end up with a decent bike that&#039;s tuned up and ready to roll for a fraction of the price of a new one.

I&#039;m also right there with you on the reusable canvas bags.  I use a decade-old duffel bag for my grocery getting.   Then there&#039;s the rest of the green consumerism frenzy.  Don&#039;t even get me started on the woes of manufacturing a hybrid gas/electric car...

Great points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m certainly not one to label myself an environmentalist, this is one reason why I tell people to look at used bikes for sale at their LBS but a bike co-op has many of the same bene&#8217;s.  You keep old frames out of the landfills, help support your local bike shop (which is more often than not an independent operation), and usually end up with a decent bike that&#8217;s tuned up and ready to roll for a fraction of the price of a new one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also right there with you on the reusable canvas bags.  I use a decade-old duffel bag for my grocery getting.   Then there&#8217;s the rest of the green consumerism frenzy.  Don&#8217;t even get me started on the woes of manufacturing a hybrid gas/electric car&#8230;</p>
<p>Great points.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts.  Keep up the good work.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  Looking forward to reading more from you.

Chris Moran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts.  Keep up the good work.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  Looking forward to reading more from you.</p>
<p>Chris Moran</p>
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