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	<title>Comments on: DeMint&#8217;s &#8220;Anti-Bike Lane&#8221; Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: disarm</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-26648</link>
		<dc:creator>disarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about wasting taxpayer money. I do not recommend this to anyone, but some people believe that everybody who has ever had to pay a processing fee for FOIA requests can easily circumvent the total costs by conspiring with other people to submit the exact same FOI requests. That way the agency will have to spread the initial fee among all the requests. If you have a $200 fee and then conspire with 4 of your family or friends to submit the same request, they will have to divide that $200 by all 5 of you so that each of you will be asked to pay only $40 ($200 divided by 5). Then, only one of you pays the $40 and your 4 co-conspiracers decline the information. You get the information for $40 instead of $200. Bilk the taxpayer.

Quote from the Torch: “That weekend, XLFD (Tom Rotta) organized three other people, including me, to send out our own FOIA request just containing one request, so that we would get the information without the prohibitive, unlawful costs. “</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about wasting taxpayer money. I do not recommend this to anyone, but some people believe that everybody who has ever had to pay a processing fee for FOIA requests can easily circumvent the total costs by conspiring with other people to submit the exact same FOI requests. That way the agency will have to spread the initial fee among all the requests. If you have a $200 fee and then conspire with 4 of your family or friends to submit the same request, they will have to divide that $200 by all 5 of you so that each of you will be asked to pay only $40 ($200 divided by 5). Then, only one of you pays the $40 and your 4 co-conspiracers decline the information. You get the information for $40 instead of $200. Bilk the taxpayer.</p>
<p>Quote from the Torch: “That weekend, XLFD (Tom Rotta) organized three other people, including me, to send out our own FOIA request just containing one request, so that we would get the information without the prohibitive, unlawful costs. “</p>
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		<title>By: christopher paul</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17459</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike paths are good for the community, whether they&#039;re paid for by the government or local gov&#039;s. In my opinion. Here in Houston there is a great debate on whether to build a path or not. Here&#039;s the story.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6201599.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike paths are good for the community, whether they&#8217;re paid for by the government or local gov&#8217;s. In my opinion. Here in Houston there is a great debate on whether to build a path or not. Here&#8217;s the story.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6201599.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6201599.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chip Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17318</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew.  Serious discussion here. So much for the public not paying attention. Yes, the restrictions on spending would be a bad thing, but please don&#039;t think you&#039;re being self-serving, as a cyclist, when you hope for this stimulus package to help build bicycle infrastructure. Remember: The whole point of the thing is to DO something- to build thing that will mean employment for engineers, designers, builders and the companies they work for and/or own. That money spent will then trickle out as they pay for their food, clothing, shelter and the things they need to live and do their job.  The end result (bicycle stuff) is good, but it&#039;s the process, the moving of money through the economy that&#039;s the whole point of the package. For once, &quot;pork&quot; is good, if it&#039;s spread evenly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew.  Serious discussion here. So much for the public not paying attention. Yes, the restrictions on spending would be a bad thing, but please don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re being self-serving, as a cyclist, when you hope for this stimulus package to help build bicycle infrastructure. Remember: The whole point of the thing is to DO something- to build thing that will mean employment for engineers, designers, builders and the companies they work for and/or own. That money spent will then trickle out as they pay for their food, clothing, shelter and the things they need to live and do their job.  The end result (bicycle stuff) is good, but it&#8217;s the process, the moving of money through the economy that&#8217;s the whole point of the package. For once, &#8220;pork&#8221; is good, if it&#8217;s spread evenly.</p>
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		<title>By: TimK</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17313</link>
		<dc:creator>TimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to add this link in response to Gavin&#039;s argument about tax cuts vs. government spending:

http://www.americablog.com/2009/02/in-defense-of-nancy.html

That, of course, is a greater political debate. Given the system we have now, I think cycling facilities are one of the more worthwhile ways the government could use its money to stimulate the economy; at least they also do some substantial long-term good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to add this link in response to Gavin&#8217;s argument about tax cuts vs. government spending:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americablog.com/2009/02/in-defense-of-nancy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americablog.com/2009/02/in-defense-of-nancy.html</a></p>
<p>That, of course, is a greater political debate. Given the system we have now, I think cycling facilities are one of the more worthwhile ways the government could use its money to stimulate the economy; at least they also do some substantial long-term good.</p>
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		<title>By: TimK</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17308</link>
		<dc:creator>TimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wish this administration and both Democrats and Republicans would embrace the free market instead of attempting to control everything.&lt;/i&gt;

The Republicans did that for eight years, and the previous Democratic administration did a pretty fair job of it as well. That&#039;s what got us where we are now: a free-for-all with no regulation. What we need for the medium to long term is to repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley and restore the regulatory structures that were put in place for our banking system in the 1930s. We learned some lessons then, but apparently we didn&#039;t learn them well enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wish this administration and both Democrats and Republicans would embrace the free market instead of attempting to control everything.</i></p>
<p>The Republicans did that for eight years, and the previous Democratic administration did a pretty fair job of it as well. That&#8217;s what got us where we are now: a free-for-all with no regulation. What we need for the medium to long term is to repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley and restore the regulatory structures that were put in place for our banking system in the 1930s. We learned some lessons then, but apparently we didn&#8217;t learn them well enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17306</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update, from the League of American Bicyclists via Alan Snel&#039;s &quot;Bicycle Stories&quot; blog:

&lt;em&gt;Thanks to calls from bicycle and pedestrian advocates like you, the Senate refused to hear an amendment that would have blocked any Economic Recovery Bill money from being spent on biking and walking infrastructure projects. Now we need EVERYONE’S HELP to make certain that there is strong support for Transportation Enhancements $ for biking and walking in the final bill!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Who knows...maybe all this heat worked against DeMint&#039;s proposed amendment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update, from the League of American Bicyclists via Alan Snel&#8217;s &#8220;Bicycle Stories&#8221; blog:</p>
<p><em>Thanks to calls from bicycle and pedestrian advocates like you, the Senate refused to hear an amendment that would have blocked any Economic Recovery Bill money from being spent on biking and walking infrastructure projects. Now we need EVERYONE’S HELP to make certain that there is strong support for Transportation Enhancements $ for biking and walking in the final bill!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Who knows&#8230;maybe all this heat worked against DeMint&#8217;s proposed amendment?</p>
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		<title>By: Raiyn</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17303</link>
		<dc:creator>Raiyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ghost
I really want to remain civil, but there&#039;s only so much I&#039;m willing to take from the tin foil hatters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ghost<br />
I really want to remain civil, but there&#8217;s only so much I&#8217;m willing to take from the tin foil hatters.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17298</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but can we get back to local politics, or are we so top heavy that we can&#039;t truly find the roots anymore.  Just like with most grasses, when the top gets overgrown and dries out, the roots die, but if the top stays trimmed, the roots are strong enough that when hard times come and the grass dries, the roots survive so that the grass can regrow.  Thus the whole &quot;grassroots&quot; concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but can we get back to local politics, or are we so top heavy that we can&#8217;t truly find the roots anymore.  Just like with most grasses, when the top gets overgrown and dries out, the roots die, but if the top stays trimmed, the roots are strong enough that when hard times come and the grass dries, the roots survive so that the grass can regrow.  Thus the whole &#8220;grassroots&#8221; concept.</p>
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		<title>By: wade G.</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17297</link>
		<dc:creator>wade G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like it&#039;s time to return to our grassroots.
Local politics is where a lot of this starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like it&#8217;s time to return to our grassroots.<br />
Local politics is where a lot of this starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/02/08/demints-anti-bike-lane-amendment/#comment-17294</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that funding for bike-related projects is tough to get at the local level, and that the majority of funding for such projects that have been carried off has come from federal incentives.  I would argue, that philosophically, if the original intent of the founders was followed, federal taxes would be quite small, and local taxes larger, maintaining a small federal government with little responsibility outside of defense and diplomacy while local and state governments managed schools, roads, and such projects as bike lanes and public transit.

However, this is not the case.   That being said, I would agree that if the focus of the bill that the senate just passed were truly economic stimulus through infrastructure improvement as it is being sold, bike lanes would be a reasonable addition to the bill.  As the bill seems to be more of a collection of pet liberal projects, I can see why some of those, such as bike lanes might be targets of GOP opposition.  

On a political/economical sidenote, I think that even were it less pork laden, this bill is the wrong approach.  In 1920, the US had a severe economic downturn.  The federal government did nothing.  Within two years, that downturn had become the &quot;roaring twenties.&quot;  However, nearly a decade later when another downturn hit, which was initially less severe, President Hoover stepped in with interventionist policies which were then continued and increased by Roosevelt.  The US remained in and economically depressed state seven years longer than the rest of the world.

The US citizens were made to feel like the government was helping us, while in reality they were keeping us where we were.

Free market thinking did not create the economic crisis.  Wrong-headed federal policies such as the fair housing act and neighborhood reinvestment act that forced lenders to loan to riskier recipients bear more of the blame.

I apologize, this blog is not really the place for and all-out political debate, but I feel that it is important for Americans to discuss political issues and share points of view.  The sooner were stop debating and being concerned about what our government does, the sooner we lose control of it and become enslaved by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that funding for bike-related projects is tough to get at the local level, and that the majority of funding for such projects that have been carried off has come from federal incentives.  I would argue, that philosophically, if the original intent of the founders was followed, federal taxes would be quite small, and local taxes larger, maintaining a small federal government with little responsibility outside of defense and diplomacy while local and state governments managed schools, roads, and such projects as bike lanes and public transit.</p>
<p>However, this is not the case.   That being said, I would agree that if the focus of the bill that the senate just passed were truly economic stimulus through infrastructure improvement as it is being sold, bike lanes would be a reasonable addition to the bill.  As the bill seems to be more of a collection of pet liberal projects, I can see why some of those, such as bike lanes might be targets of GOP opposition.  </p>
<p>On a political/economical sidenote, I think that even were it less pork laden, this bill is the wrong approach.  In 1920, the US had a severe economic downturn.  The federal government did nothing.  Within two years, that downturn had become the &#8220;roaring twenties.&#8221;  However, nearly a decade later when another downturn hit, which was initially less severe, President Hoover stepped in with interventionist policies which were then continued and increased by Roosevelt.  The US remained in and economically depressed state seven years longer than the rest of the world.</p>
<p>The US citizens were made to feel like the government was helping us, while in reality they were keeping us where we were.</p>
<p>Free market thinking did not create the economic crisis.  Wrong-headed federal policies such as the fair housing act and neighborhood reinvestment act that forced lenders to loan to riskier recipients bear more of the blame.</p>
<p>I apologize, this blog is not really the place for and all-out political debate, but I feel that it is important for Americans to discuss political issues and share points of view.  The sooner were stop debating and being concerned about what our government does, the sooner we lose control of it and become enslaved by it.</p>
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