Would you pay $180 for “commuter” pants?

If you saw a company selling “commuter” pants for $180…would you buy it? These pants don’t even have any padding or reflective cuffs. In fact they look like Dockers.

I just need to get an opinion from our core readers and see if you are willing to spend that kind of money for clothing that you sweat and can potentially get road grime as well as grease on.


  1. Ghost Rider

    I know just the pants…and my answer is NO. For that price, those pants better pleasure me AND buy me dinner beforehand!

  2. RL

    I was thinking for that price, you could buy a whole outfit at a department store.

  3. db

    Maybe if they were lined with unicorn fur…

  4. Jules

    It does seem steep, but it is rally hard to say without some more information. A link, perhaps? what are they made of? Durability? Water resistance? Warranty? Asking a question about value without giving much detail other than price is a bit disingenuous, IMHO. That said, they’d have to be pretty amazing to justify that price — but why not provide all the info and let your readers make an informed decision?

  5. Ghost Rider

    I know that they’re made right here in the U.S. , but I don’t recall any special or magical properties of the pants in question.

  6. Matt P

    Sorry, but I wouldn’t pay that. Unfortunately, it seems the prices of most cycling attire has gone up. Our LBS has regular spandex bike shorts for $110. Who buys this stuff?

  7. Matt

    I don’t wear pants while biking.

    Lest that be taken the wrong way… I DO wear shorts. And leg warmers if it’s cold.

    Regardless, the closest I’ve come to that price for bike-related clothing is $75 for Pearl Izumi shorts, and that’s about as much as I ever expect to spend.

  8. Michael

    Some people will pay anything to be hip. I’m a nerd.

  9. Clancy

    I couldn’t justify the cost. Of course I get to wear shorts to work when the weather is good.

  10. Iron_Man

    No way.

  11. Clancy

    Found them.
    Outlier has them. Water repellent and stretchy. They look nice but….

    Here is cheaper with Reflectivity. Maybe not water repellent though

  12. Martin

    Of course, it depends on the pants, and what you want from a pair of pants that you intend to where while riding. You’re obviously referring to the Outlier brand – who’s clothing is made by hand in the US in small batches using high quality technical fabrics. Outlier is also very style-oriented, presents itself as sort of a boutique company, and you’ll of course pay a small premium for that but much of the cost would be associated with level of tailoring and the quality of the construction. If 90% of the cycling apparel on the market wasn’t made overseas, you’d be seeing significantly higher prices in all your other brands.

  13. locus

    For $180, I could get more than just a pair of pants, I could buy a whole suit for that money. Considering that I bike to work in a suit about half the week, I would be more frugal if I just got another suit.

    Even if you don’t bike in “regular clothes” and absolutely must use technical wear for biking, you could buy a nice pair of gore-tex pants and a decent coated nylon (not-gore) jacket for that money. If you simply bought coated nylon pants (instead of gore) you’d have money left over for burritos.

    What a waste!

  14. Powerful Pete

    Phrased like that, of course not. Then again, as a road cyclist I spend oodles of cash on carbon fiber bits, and all sorts of useless gear that gives me great pleasure… to own.

    I have cycling bibs that cost in that range, but then again, I use them to stay comfortable on long rides of over 100 km.

    So… tell us more. Give us a link.

    For my commute I use a pair of mtb shorts from a local sports store chain that I paid 30 euro for…

  15. jdmitch

    Like others have said, depends on the pants. I am (or was until I got rightsized) a work clothes bike commuter. The right pants are worth gold. PS I’ve begun to have the opinion that well made stuff that I won’t wear out is more preferable than cycling through more less expensive items.

  16. Ghost Rider

    @jdmitch — good point about well-made stuff vs. the cheapies. If one expensive pair of pants/shorts/jersey/etc. is well-made and lasts, is it really saving money by having to buy several replacements of the bargain-bin stuff?

    @Pete — I’ve got a couple pairs of pricey bike shorts and jerseys, too — and that added expense DOES go a long way towards long-distance comfort. You do get what you pay for…but for a pair of workpants that may or may not have any particular “cycling-friendly” features, $180 is pretty damn steep.

  17. Clancy

    Found them.
    Outlier has them. Water repellent and stretchy. They look nice but….

    Here is cheaper with Reflectivity. Maybe not water repellent though

  18. Clancy

    post the links from Outlier ($180 pants) but my comments are awaiting moderation.

  19. Andy

    If pants did something worth that price, I’d learn how to make it myself for $20.

  20. Juan

    From a quick glance the Outlier pants appear well made. For $180 I think I would rather buy two pairs of Cordarounds. As it is, I’m not likely to buy even one pair of Cordarounds, but they seem more useful being that they’ve got reflective bits.

  21. Len

    I commute in what I wear to work for the most part. My ride is 5 miles, relatively flat, on a singlespeed.

    Target’s chinos, plain front, $19.99 ($15 on sale!) are my pants of choice. Wool tee shirt or zip neck for the ride in, then change to a polo shirt or button up shirt for the office.

  22. Champs

    I balked at the pricetag. At that rate, I can keep several pairs of US-made American Apparel pants in a desk drawer at work.

  23. PushingWind

    My current pair of commuter pants are comfy and warm made of 100% wool. They cost me $3.00 at Goodwill. I cut the pants down to knickers and use them everyday here in Denver with a good pair of riding shorts underneath.

  24. Pam

    No way.

  25. Juan

    Holy cow, how apropos… Bicycling pants review at NY Times (via

  26. Bob Baxter

    Here’s what I’m wearing this winter. 4 pairs for $20 and their heavy wool.

  27. Ghost Rider

    @Bob — I have a pair of those (despite living in Florida). They are AWESOME.

  28. Dan Thornton

    That is twice as much as I paid for the bike.

  29. Jules

    If it is the Outlier pants that are being referred to, then no, not a chance. The photos on their website are absurd, with the “commuter” riding with the pants rolled up to avoid the chain. That is lack of design. Outlier strikes me as another Rapha, a company built on a hip image, catering to the fashion conscious who equate outrageous price with status, much like the spendthrift fools who buy faded and torn Lucky 7 and other brand jeans for similar prices. You know what they say about fools and their money… It is just possible that some $180 pair of pants would be worth buying, but those fall far short.

  30. Abe | Outlier

    Well as one of the makers of these pants I’m always happy to talk about the pricing. It’s completely true that when compared to pants made with cheap fabric and cheap overseas labor our pants are quite expensive. However if you take a look at what they do, how they are made and what materials we are using you’ll find that the opposite, that our prices are actually extremely cheap.

    What really drives the cost is the materials we use. The softshell fabric we use is rarely found in consumer grade clothing, it’s mostly used for military and specialist gear. Companies like Arctyrx (for their Veilance line) or Acronym will use similar stuff, and they charge $350-450 for pants! Similarly pants made with much cheaper fabrics at NYC factories like ours tend to cost between $150-400 dollars.

    We actually spent a huge amount of time and effort building a business model where we could bring the prices down to $180. We did it because we believe in the product, and thought it needed to exist. I started making these pants because I couldn’t find them on the market. After years of searching for a better pair of pants for bike commuting I gave up and decided that if no one else was going to make them then I needed to make them myself .

    What do they do exactly? A pair of dress slacks, that you can ride through a rain storm and show up to work dry. In light rain the water will just bead up and roll away, in a downpour you’ll get wet but will be dry in 15-20 once you are out of the rain. The “self cleaning” (that’s the mills term not ours) treatment means they resist grease, road grime, sweat and odor. The 4way stretch means they move with you as you pedal, making them far more comfortable than most pants. The Cordora content and stretch seams ensures you won’t tear them apart from the stress of cycling. And they breathe incredibly well too, put them on and wear them and you’ll understand why they are worth far more than they cost.

    You can check out what some of our customers say if you want: or see what the NYT says: or Bicycling mag:,7989,s1-15-68-2038-0,00.html

    We have an unlimited 6 month return policy so you can check out our product risk free, and yet our return rate is well below industry average. I’m obviously not going to convince everyone in here, but there is a reason these pants cost what they cost, and it has everything to do with quality and performance. They are a top notch piece of technical gear, designed to solve very real problems that bike commuters and other daily riders encounter, and quite honestly a bargain at their price point.

  31. Abe | Outlier

    There is a whole lot more than $20 worth of fabric in each of our pants. If you can figure out how to make just the fabric at $20 worth per pant we’d buy every yard you make!

  32. Abe | Outlier

    Interesting, I submitted a much longer comment addressing a whole lot more, but it doesn’t seem to want to take, assumed it was just being moderated, but clearly some comments are going through…

  33. Abe | Outlier


    We made a very deliberate decision to not address the chain issue as we see it as a trap, I’ve never seen a design that keeps pants out of the chain that requires less effort than cuffing your pants. Instead we focused on a ton of other design issues, water resistance, stretch, wear and tear, grease resistance, quick drying…

  34. RL Policar (Post author)

    If its way too long, it will flag it as spam. But I’ll approve your comments.

  35. Abe | Outlier

    Thanks RL.

  36. mike

    totally worth it. i have a pair of their “workwear” pants and before that i used to ride in their “4 season OG” pants. you have to ask yourself, are 5 pairs of pants worth $180? that’s $36 a pair, and that’s a decent price. that’s really what you’re getting because you can wear them day in, day out without fail. i wash mine weekly, but i’m pretty sure i could get away with cleaning them less often. they wick sweat away like it ain’t no thing. they’re nearly water proof, and in a soak they’ll be dry before you hit the coffee machine. nothing sticks to them long enough to stain, and what does can be released easily with a little water. wool is “naturally anti-odor” but still smells pretty quickly. outlier stuff NEVER smells. absolutely perfect pants. i’ll be wearing these while foraging for food after the apocalypse.

  37. Jon Severson

    I actually own a pair of the “work wear” pants from Outlier and i’ll say is $180 too much?

    Hell no.

    There are riding tights that cost $100+ easily (hell bib shorts that cost $200+) these days. Plus if I need to actually be presentable and not look like a bike geek when I show up to that meeting i flew into Chicago for I’d need to buy a bag for $100+ to put my jeans (can’t seem to not pay $120+ for anything good anymore) I can spend a total of $300+ on stuff and have to carry that damn bag (and thus still look like a bike dork) or I could spend $180 on Outliers.

    I must admit…I first thought no effing way….but when I can use these as travel pants, they make great work pants as they resist stains and liquid beads off of them I’d buy them for that price even if they weren’t so nice to ride in too.

    So yes. Worth it.

  38. Jeremy

    One thing that needs to be addressed here is externalized cost. Now if you’re buying pants for $20 at Target, you probably don’t care about the environmental or human impact aspects of the manufacturing process, but the reality is that there’s no free lunch. If you optimize the process for a $20 pair of pants you’re giving up on everything from the quality of the cloth that went into those pants, all the way down the line to the kid who sewed them together. That’s not counting the impact of shipping the finished product to the stores.

    Yes, you could buy 9 pairs of those chinos for $180. I’d be willing to bet they will not outlast 1 pair of Outlier’s pants. You’ve also cost yourself the time to go to the store 9 times, and the impact of producing 9 pairs instead of 1 pair of pants.

    If you’re buying thrifted wool pants, you’re lucky enough to have the time to thrift, and the luxury of a relaxed work environment. Those are both great things in their own right, and reuse is good for everyone.

    The chain issue is most definitely a strawman argument. There’s no elegant solution.

  39. Ghost Rider

    Abe — thanks for remaining cordial even though it may seem like some of us are attacking your products.

    It’s funny — bike commuters tend to be a rather thrifty lot (and not exclusive to our readership)…but those of us who engage in other cycling pursuits think nothing of spending $200 on a pair of cycling bibshorts or some outrageous bicycle component.

    I will say this — based on my own experience with the Outlier shorts, they are incredibly well-made out of top-notch materials. I still balk at the price, but then again I’m a cheap SOB.

    And the pro-Outlier commenters make some excellent points — it doesn’t LOOk like geeky bike stuff, so wearing those pants to the office and then IN the office is a win-win.

    Thanks, everyone, for your comments.

  40. Gilbert

    I actually own a pair of the 4season pants and its been well enough to ride, Ive fallen several times because of my clumsy nature and the pants still hold up. Ive worn the pants to weddings, to research lab, to meetings, and to school. It is very appropriate and I have had no problems with the pant getting caught in the chain yet. Also if you are really concerned you could have them fitted to you at a local tailor, that’s what I did after several rides just because of preference. Even when tailored to fit, the material stretches even when you pedal.

    I had a time where the whicking capabilities weren’t working because I had worn them for awhile without wash, a quick throw in the washing machine, drying, and ironing renewed the whicking properties.

    Im waiting for the fleece lined edition now.

  41. no1mad

    Initial response is no. But after reading through all the posts (so far), I’m at the fence. Not on the fence, more like leaning against it with my eye at the knot hole.

    I prefer to buy quality, but finances are limited atm.

  42. NYC Biker

    I have a pair of their shorts and a pair of their pants, I forget the model names. In any case, Outlier clothes fall into the category of “you get what you pay for, but can you afford to get that much?” They aren’t a rip off and are very high quality. If I had the money, I’d replace most of my work pants with them. But, let’s face it, not everyone has that kind of money for a pair of bike commuting pants (I don’t, but I wish!).

  43. daniel

    I just ordered the pants in question… but it did take me a while to decide to do so. What convinced me? I had ordered a hoody “pre-release” and I live in it. Not, as someone suggested, because it’s costly and there’s “status” attached — because no one can tell — there’s no label on the outside. It stays clean despite the best efforts of my four year old, the careful details and fit, the *lack* of obvious branding etc. make it stand apart form so many other brands. It looks like a routine hoodie except it doesn’t work like one. It’s far, far better both on and off the bike.

    As for the pants, I’ve been in too many rain storms lately and I have to dress for work at times. And if they’re half as good as the hoodie they’ll excel at looking good, feeling good, and wearing incredibly well no matter the weather.

    I’ll take that over three or four cheap pairs of pants any day.

    Lastly, Abe & Tyler give customers personal attention, have their stuff sewn in NYC, and obviously wear their own clothes.

  44. Gabriel

    Abe, I bet your pants are AWESOME and I’m grateful that you make them in the U.S. with real, handmade, craftsmanship – I hope you sell a lot of them. But they’re still $180 *pants*. Someday I might live in a tax bracket where $180 pants are a luxury I can afford, or want. But that’s not today. Given more money, I’m still not sure that it wouldn’t go to books or records, or more bikes instead. They’re pants — pants for work, at that — and thus, pretty low on my hierarchy of wants and needs.

    Oddly enough, $180 for a bad ass set of panniers sounds more enticing — don’t ask me why.

  45. ha1ku

    My initial response would normally be a “no”, so it benefits the manufacturer to explain the benefits of spending more than average.

    This being my first year commuting to work, I have found myself focused more on material and comfort whereas in the past I only cared about style. I realize I have to pay more for higher quality.

    The result: I spent several hundreds of dollars on clothes that, in the past, I would have never considered — all because I felt they would work well on my bicycle commute to the office.

    Most of my clothing purchases last only a year or two before they wear out or get donated. It will be very interesting to see how long this year’s purchases last. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised a couple of years down the road.

  46. Jules

    Abe, interesting sales points. I still think that these are not really aimed at folks who commute on a regular basis in all locales. Do you actually propose that folks roll up their cuffs in 35 degree rain, exposing their lower calves and socks to cold, wet, rain? Also I think you might be a bit over the top in your marketing materials when you say that users will “never stink of sweat” and that dirt, etc. rolls off with ease. Do you really mean to say that these can be worn in urban commuting in rain and slush and the wearer will arrive clean and crisp? Or in the heat of an urban summer that they will really “never stink of sweat?” Pretty strong claims, even for fabric inspired by Lotus leaves. Also interesting that none of your models look like they actually commute — no bags or any other indication that they carry lunch, work, or even a wallet. Perhaps they are really wonder pants for the practical commuter, but in making extreme claims and presenting them only in simulated uses by hipster models who are clearly NOT commuting you might be doing yourself a disservice.

  47. Jules

    Abe, In looking at the site I notice none of the photos show the model wearing socks — perhaps that answers the issue of getting your socks dirty when rolling up the cuff because there is not closure system — just don’t wear socks. I wonder what the “commuting” rider plans to wear when he gets to work. Sockless Sidi cycling shoes? Of course, as the Sidi’s are not made of Lotus-inspired fabric wearing them sockless might just result in them stinking of sweat after a month of summer commutes.

  48. eddy

    I am a student in Seattle, WA where it rains pretty much all fall and winter. I also bike to school every day and when it is rainy I always wear my 4Seasons.

    These are really incredible pants because of their technical properties and precisely because they do look like dress pants. I can show up to class, lab, a meeting or whatever and be dry and not have to change out of goofy bike gear. Plus whenever they get drenched or greasy all I have to do is wipe them with a napkin. Also as a dry denim enthusiast I have a bad habit of never washing my pants, an it’s been about 6 months and they really do not smell still. Can your pants do that?

    I’ve wasted a ton of money on cheaper pants that have blown out or ripped while biking. Why waste all that money when you can just buy one pair. I will definitely be picking up a pair of the new chinos in the near future.

  49. R A N T W I C K

    I started in ready to just answer, um, no. I’ve been turned around a little since it would seem they are as high-tech as lots of other cycling gear without the look of cycling-specific gear.

    My main comment however, is: “Wow, people sure like talking about pants! I mean, a simple question launched a pretty big comment string!

    I think it goes back to Ghost Rider’s observation: many commuters are loathe to part with their cash, and discussions such as this help them decide on things like $180 pants.

  50. Abe | Outlier

    @Jules, can’t address all your comments, but will hit a couple points.

    On the smell resistance, Since I started developing these pants I’ve put in over 1000 days wearing them, through 3 NYC winters and summers. For the pants treated with the nanosphere/lotus treatment (which is most but not all of our pants) they truly are remarkably odor resistant. I can’t recall one instance of these pants stinking and I’ve at times worn the same two pairs without washing for well over a month straight. The pants treated with 3XDry don’t have the same odor resistance, but have other properties that are worth the trade off in some situations.

    On the cuff issue, I think you are staring at our photos a bit too hard. These pants are similarly millions of other pants out there, and people ride in those pants all the time. Everyone has there own strategies for the chain issue. Personally I cuff when it’s warm, tuck into my socks when it’s cold and dry and strap my pants around a pair of boots when it’s cold and wet. None are ideal of course, but its a small ritual to perform before riding and if it’s too much of a hassle our Climber model is slim enough at the ankles that most riders don’t feel the need to do anything to them when riding.

  51. Jon M

    Well, I’ve recently bought some Outlier Workwear pants over here in England, and of course paid for the postage…. so sight unseen…

    And I am delighted with them. Great fit, superb quality, and I’ve just ordered some of the 4 season OG pants too.

    In a world where cheap, disposable, rubbish quality and poor style are all too common, I;m always looking for the exact opposite. I want clothes to last, have classic looks, and yes, I admit, I like having something different.

    Buy cheap, buy twice (if not more) is a motto I have seen to come true time and time again.

    Shoes for example – Churchs brogues – £350 / $588 (that will make a few people wince!). Expensive yes, good value? Good grief yes. I wore a pair virtually every day for 7 years and just had them resoled each year.

    You do get what you pay for and for me, the personal, small company, great quality attributes of Outlier (and Rapha) are what will always get my vote.

  52. meligrosa

    my toughest pair if I ever (rarely, but happens) wear pants, wranglers. US made 30bucks, tough as nails. Beat it

  53. Jules

    Abe, you are correct in that there are millions (billions!) of other pants out there that require rolling up the cuffs when riding. I think yours might be the only one of those which is specifically marketed as designed for cycle commuting and sold for $180, though.

    I am astounded at the claims that you and several others have made for the odor resistance of this fabric — from several weeks to six months ! (eddy) of wear without washing and no odor. Wow. That is amazing. Perhaps I’ll scrounge up the dollars and get a pair, wear them for 3 + months without washing, and return them if they smell.

  54. Ghost Rider

    @Jules — you’re killin’ me!!!

    @Rantwick — right there with you…I’m utterly blown away by how many people (including myself, surprisingly enough) love to talk about pants.

  55. Abe | Outlier

    @Jules sounds like a plan, looking forward to your order!

  56. Gordon

    Hey Abe your products sound great! Do you make pants for the average Joe like myself? You know the married guy with 3 kids. I am not talking about something ugly and old fashioned like mom jeans from SNL, but something where I don’t have to sell off one of my bikes to make the down payment. Not hatin’, just relatin’.

  57. Tim

    I’m amazed how long the comment stream is here, but I’m strangely compelled to emerge from lurking and post.
    At first my comment was going to be “I’ve never paid $180 for any pants and I don’t plan to ever.” Now I’ve read through the comments and am thinking I might invest in a pair to wear for rainy or hot days. Right now I’m a student and work on my own mostly, so no one cares if I’m sweaty. I’m hoping to hire into a faculty position soon, and appearance/presentation are going to be more of a factor. I’m planning to continue commuting by bike, so I may invest in a pair once my clothing budget can support that.

  58. Abe | Outlier

    @Gordon, definitely actively exploring ways to make less expensive versions of our pants. Can’t promise anything yet, we’re a year old, but we hear you for sure.

  59. Clancy

    This fabric sounds amazing. Did some research :

    -A backpacking magazine calls it a “miracle fabric”.
    -The fabric is expensive at $39/yard.
    -Website tech
    – Fabric is manf. in United States and abroad.

    I am fairly tough on my clothing and it drives my wife crazy. I often forget to change when going to “play” in the garage. If my clothes were a jet-plane, I would definately be classified as a “test pilot”.

    I would love to have pair of these pants for Hunting. Abrasion and water resistent plus anti-stink. Good for those week long elk-hunts.

    Unfortunately, purchasing these are not in the cards right now. But I would be glad to be a test pilot for other uses 😉

  60. William O. B'livion

    1) Schoeller fabrics are *really* good. They bridge the space between wool (comfy and warm) and “hard shells” like Gor-Tex and clones. There are several companies that make gear for people who cannot have failures (TAD Gear, some of the mountaineering firms etc.).

    2) I would not get these for riding to work in, as the could only be considered “dress trousers” if you had no idea what proper clothing really is. Khakis are not “dress” trousers. They are casual to business casual clothing. However I might get a pair for touring/treking and engaging in some of the more interesting bits of life. Like if my next job winds up being in Afghanistan (this one is in Iraq).

    It’s not really the price I object to, its that I don’t consider them proper working clothes.

  61. Cyclo Kitty

    If I could afford to drop $180 on these pants and found I needed them and couldn’t find another alternative, I probably would.

    I’m hard on my clothes (I guess it doesn’t help that I stuff everything I own into one jumbo commercial washing machine, add sale detergent, go read a book, ignore care instructions on a regular basis) and my attention is always first on strength of fabric and then stretchiness.

    Hmmm…. now that I’ve read many of the comments, I’m now thinking a shopping trip to thrift shops and surplus goods store will be in order in the spring (the traditional times when Cyclokitties leave their winter dens and look for new clothes to replace the stuff destroyed the previous season).

  62. Eric

    Abe, the nature of your comments has convinced me to check out your company the next time I’m in the market for technical gear. Softshell material is awesome stuff; I actually prefer synthetics to wool in many cases (it’s more durable and works better with my personal chemistry). I totally respect the attitude you’ve displayed here without being full of marketing bs or knee-jerk defensiveness. Don’t get jaded and good luck with business.
    Oh, and this line caught my eye: “With less yellow than most khakis, these pants look better with a wider range of skin tones…” From the perspective of someone not white, that’s some unexpected but nice attention to detail. Charcoal gray would work better as business wear, though.

  63. RL Policar (Post author)


    I do have to commend you on your professionalism. I think you won people over with your attitude and good hearted responses.

    We once had an owner of a company get on here who was super defensive and even called people out on the mat, lame if you ask me. But you and your company have remained cordial and I respect that.

    I want to set the record straight, I was not here to to bash Outlier, in fact I never once mentioned their brand. I was merely asking our readers a question if they were willing to spend that kind of money on clothing. It is my experience in running, that a majority of our readers are very thrifty. But I also know they like quality products.

    So with that being said, my hat goes off to you Abe and Outlier. I do hope that the folks who said they were willing to buy the pants place their order soon, especially Jules 🙂

    Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

    RL Policar

  64. Gordon

    Thanks Abe! I will be checking back.

  65. smells a lot

    the price is crazy. but the clothes are crazy good! i literally wore their summer shorts for 80% of the summer. i don’t think i ever washed them. i took a dip in the ocean once (they double as a bathing suit). they never smelled. they didn’t fade. they maintained their shape. they still look great.

    and let’s just say i’m BRUTAL to my clothes. i’m a hairy, smelly, big dude that thinks he looks BETTER when clothes are ripped and dirtied and i haven’t showered in a couple days. some lumberjack fetish or something.

    damn you outlier. your clothese keep me clean, sharply dressed, and smelling decent.

    in all seriousness, these fabrics are a miracle of modern science. outlier makes them look pretty.

  66. Al

    Depends on if I really needed them. It’s pricey, but I tend to spend more $ on good gear that will last, learning the hard way that buying cheaper is not necessarily less expensive. I would not buy these however; because I need a women’s sizing. Men’s cuts will not fit me.

  67. Doohickie

    I wouldn’t pay half that. $180 is more than I’ve paid for any of my current bikes.

  68. Brenda

    No way I would spend that much money on a single piece of clothing–on or off the bike. Biking specific clothing better include some common sense features, like being waterproof, or sweat wicking (and no I don’t mean Lycra). You could buy 4 pairs of regular khakis and beat them to death for that price.

  69. Ings

    I have a few things from Outlier that were worth every penny! The waxed cotton cap, merino tee, merino hoodie, and workwear pants.
    I ride nearly everyday and work in a restaurant, so I can’t be too smelly/dirty/wet when I get there, after about 2 yrs of this I thought it was time to invest in some really good gear. The pants have really seen a lot of action! Food, grease, oil, candle wax, wine, etc…I wore them for about 2 weeks straight; spot cleaning as I went along; washed them today and it’s ALL gone, including the candle was which was all over. If I ride through the rain, they’re dry before I can even think damn I’m cold and wet!

  70. Ings

    The merino tee & hoodie are nicer than any of the others I own; ie. Patagonia, Icebreaker. I’ve worn the tee @ least as a base every single day since I’ve bought it a month or so ago and I’ve only needed to wash it three times. The hoodie hasn’t needed a wash yet but has seen a lot of the action during my morning and evening commutes. That thing is incredibly warm and made to last! The elastic on the sleeves isn’t whimpy either, the sleeves will actually stay in place! The waxed cap is easily 3 times nicer than the nicer bike caps out there ie. Pace etc…
    It doesn’t feel like it’s held together by sheer luck, but rather sewn! Ha! Anyways…
    I can understand peoples issue with the price somewhat. We’re not used to anything being that much. But we’re also not used to anything being worth a shit either. The stuff from Outlier delivers!! And it’s made in the USA. Which brings me to a socio/political point…if more stuff were made in the USA, we probably wouldn’t have “this economy”. So the more we buy made in China or elsewhere the more we support “this economy”. These guys are here to support cyclists and a local economy. Which I appreciate very much. Without people coming in & spending at my restaurant, I cannot go out and in turn support another local business/es.

    Lastly if you’re looking to simplify your lifestyle and support a genuine group of folks and not a corp. giant, then give their clothes a look, I promise you want be disappointed! I wasn’t!

  71. Ings

    BTW I’m not affiliated with Outlier or friends of there’s. I’m just an NYC commuter that likes to be comfortable.

    Ride safe!

  72. Mike

    I’m REALLY looking at these, but I’m not sure they’ll work for a bigger sized person. I’m 6′ and 220 lbs, so I definitely won’t be looking at the “Climber” pants. Not everyone has the skinny hipster frame, but I hope the stretch material on the OG pants might work.

  73. smells a lot


    mike, i’m 6′ 1″ 240-250lbs. all their stuff fits me, even the climbers! i wear a 36 waist and their work wear pants fit perfectly. slightly slimmer than levi’s 501s, but definitely not hipster slim.

    the climbers fit a little snug on my massive sprinter’s thighs (haha), so i’m thinking about returning those before wearing them outside. but they’re very stretchy and are comfortable. i just don’t know if i’m ready for such a slim pant (given my WWF physique).

    the XL merino tee and XL hoodie fit perfectly.

    the cuts are neither euro super slim, or walmart super huge. just perfect.

    worst case, you can just return stuff, like i may do with the climbers.

  74. smells a lot

    forgot to mentione that you’d have to get the pants shortened a bit. i had to take off about 5 inches.

  75. Mike

    @smells a lot

    Thanks! That’s a big help.

  76. 2whls3spds

    @ Meli…AFAIK Wrangler no longer makes it’s jeans in the US anymore, nor does Levi Straus.


    I prefer to buy quality products either made in the USA or at least a first world country that pays it’s workers living wages. When I first saw the $180 price tag, I thought no way in hell. But after reading your responses and seeing some of the additional information presented, I just might…


  77. Daoud

    The Outlier Waxed caps are killer and look dashing as hell! Just need to find some tweed jackets and I’m f*cking set like a motherf*cker!

    Thank You Abe!

  78. david

    Would I pay $180 for a pair of so-called commuter pants?

    Heck, I dont want to pay $20 for a pair of jeans!

    Cycle commuting is supposed to be refreshing, fun and economical.
    Almost $200 for a pair of biking britches? Not happening…

  79. Raiyn

    AHHHHH!!!! The “Featured” slider created another Zombie!!! Quick lop off the head!

  80. larry jack

    i am tired of levis, dickies, etc for riding. i average over 40 miles a day everyday, and would like what outlier appears to have on their website; a straight, simple, clean lined, well tailored bike pant made with good quality bike-functional material. the problem is in reality their tailoring is terrible. their patterns are poorly designed (too much flare and too high rise as well as bad clowny pockets on og’s and workwear, bad gussett design in workwear, etc). really, jeans have far more moveability than the workwears (they really are the most difficult pants for riding i’ve ever worn). the climbers look cool and with a better cut; but like all the pants, the stitching is twisted or they don’t lay smooth on sides, etc. really, just poor craftsmanship. if they made a climber cut with a thicker material to rest better, or did their workwear with a lower rise, more tapered leg, no gussett, and just a little stretch…i would happily support these guys. bottom line: poorly designed and poor/random/inconsistent construction. hopefully this review will encourage better quality from outlier, as i really do like their asthetic/idea, and i would love a good quality bike pant. otherwise it’s a matter of time before rapha makes one out of their schoeller. maybe rapha’s design will be lame, but the quality will be there.

  81. Tom

    I’m sure these pants are really cool, but consider these alternatives. For summer heat, get a cheap (as in 9.95) pair of cotton khakis at WalMart. They are comfortable in all but the worst heat, and it’s no tragedy if they get caught in the chain. For cooler weather, check out your local Junior League thrift shop (or equivalent) and get some wool pants of appropriate weight. Look for good labels (e.g. Brooks Bros, Corbin, or local custom labels) to get the best fabric. Wool is amazing in the cooler weather. I actually wear dress pants (non-thrift!) on cooler days sometimes. I use an ankle strap or even carefully roll up the cuffs to keep them out of the chain. The great thing about good wool is that it’s resilient, and you can actually look pretty presentable as soon as you get of the bike. Just remember to roll the cuff down or remove the strap.

  82. RL


    Great idea! I think I’ll go look for some wool pants this week at the local Goodwill. I may even use them for mountain biking!

  83. tinker71

    When you say it like that $180 for a pair of pants, I think jeans, and come back NO! double quick. But If Were still riding a motorcycle I’d by a pair of kevlar-lined jeans and the armor padding for them and probably pay $180 ($110 jeans, soft armor padding kit $55, easily $15 delivery.)

    If they work better than jeans for riding a bike, yes, I guess I would, but only if they were appreciably, measurably safer, and better looking. (Or else I ‘d just by the Fast Gear Draggin’ jeans.)


  84. Seattle Commuter

    I just bought my second pair of these pants. My first pair looks great after 19 months of DAILY wear. I commute ~12 miles 5 days/week, all year round in Seattle. Through the rainy season and our short summer. I started to put away $10/month so I can buy a new pair every 18 months. Oh, the pants work as Outlier advertise, in every way. I also wore these during my 3 weeks international trip. They dry quick, so I was able to wash and dry them over night. Didn’t need an extra pair of pants for the duration of the trip.

  85. google brings me places

    So I just ended up here by trying to search “outlier pants vs” because I wanted to see if outlier had any competitors two years after buying these pants. I felt like a pretty huge douche for at least a month after buying these ~$200 pants for my bike commute in boston, but after this self-relating douche period I could not be happier. I shouldn’t say that. I’m not the kind of person to get excited over clothes. What I mean is, I don’t have to worry about these pants at all. Don’t have to worry about the ass wearing out, don’t have to worry about them stretching or fitting improperly, don’t have to worry about them getting soaked and taking >1 hour to dry off, don’t have to worry about them getting stanky (even though I wear them every day and wash them weekly). I have to admit, I’m pretty sure the dudes who own this company are hipster scum and I bet they could charge less than half what they do for these, even with their space age technologies, but, then again, they are also the best pants I have ever owned. I should also make a note that I read bikesnob’s post before deciding to buy these pants. And I still bought them. And I still read Bike Snob NYC.

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